Posted by: Alasdair | 13 November, 2007

we iz in oor coontry spendzing yourz [english] taxez

… the English media down yonder has been being particular unkind to us Jocks of late relating all kinds of nastiness about how we manage our finances and spend yonder southerners hard earned (paid?) taxes. 

Of course the situation isn’t helped when we have folks like Kelvin McKenzie(good Scottish name that) telling all and sundry that we’re a bunch of sponging gets spending all that wealth created down in the South East of Enger-land … anyway enough of that ‘big tube’, as our statesman like First Minster referred to him.

If you live in yonder land of Enger-land then no doubt you will have had an opportunity to peruse the media therein - mostly of course I am referring, to the machinations of the largely London based press.   Even further yonder media bosses and tycoons would seem intent on perpetuating the lie that your (i.e. not our) taxes are funding a life of McRiley up here in the far far North - where men are men and sheep are scared

I wouldn’t even be surprised if that what you believe given some of the headlines down there:

Scotland to offer free dental checksThe public services gap England and Scotland widened as ministers pledged to give children free access to dental checks at schools - The Telegraph

All pupils aged four to seven will get free dinners in ScotlandChildren in Scotland are to get free school meals while thousands of pupils in England pay as much as £10 a week - Daily Mail

Give the Scots financial independence: so long as they pay for it themselves: From breakfast tables to pub inglenooks, from Cornwall to Cumbria, you could almost hear the blood pressure rising - Daily Mail

Scot Free: they all live high life on OUR taxes - News of the world, thanks to Little Man in a Toque for that one

Jocks Away - Daily Mail … funny, can’t find the link for that one! see here instead.

… funny they don’t repeat these headlines in their Scottish editions?!

The thing these stories seem to have in common is that they decry the service gap between England and Scotland and state (falsely) that this is being funded by English taxes.  The truth of the matter is discussed at length in the related links at the end of this post.

This is actually a post I’ve been meaning to make for a couple of weeks, following a couple of articles in The Herald.  I’ve done a lot reading since then and much of the comment attached to that reading seems to believe the spoon fed lies, that has prompted this post.

The Herald tackles 5 popular ‘myths’ about Scotland’s spending and as their points are succinct I’ll just quote them here:

Myth 1: Scots get more public cash than anyone else.
The Truth: Public spending in Scotland is just £9631 per head, lower than the £10,271 for Northern Ireland and London’s average of £9748.

Myth 2: English taxes pay for Scotland’s high spending.
The Truth: Scotland brings in £9593 per head in tax - more than anywhere in the UK outside of London.  Latest estimates show the tax take from Scotland is £49bn compared with total spending of £49.2bn …

Myth 3: Scots milk the welfare state
The Truth: Latest figures show people living in North-East England claim on average £3284 per head.  Northern Ireland £3256 and £3136 in Wales in state benefits.  Scotland’s pension and benefit cost is £3086 per head.

Myth 4: Scots enjoy better public services than the rest of the UK
The Truth: The Welsh, not the Scots, get free prescriptions, while NHS waiting times in Scotland are broadly in line with England …

Myth 5: State subsidy pays for Scots “big ticket” projects
The Truth: London’s Crossrail project is to cost £16bn - seven and a half times the annual Scottish transport budget.  The 2012 London Olympics means a loss of £9.3bn lottery funding for the rest of the UK.

The links to the actual articles are in the related links below but that’s a brief summary.  I’m just fed up hearing people banging on about how much better off we are up here thanks to English taxes.

The Scottish parliament gets a budget, how they spend it is up to them, but they have to make it cover all their expenditure … it doesn’t get topped up in any way.  Expenditure in one area means cuts in others - it’s called governance.

The Herald links below really are worth a read if you’re inclined that way, but if you only look at two, look at the first two.

Related Links:

Scotching the Myth - The Herald
Why the figures peddled by Scotland’s critics don’t add up - The Herald
Subsidy junkies jibe is a well-scotched myth - The Herald
MP defiant over spending claims - The Herald
So much for handouts - The Herald
Our Streets aren’t aved with English gold - The Telegraph
Comment is free: Back off, Jock-baiters - Guardian Unlimited

Responses

fantastic post. i may have to steal bits of it if you don’t mind?

actually, i can’t because you are scottish too.

i need to find a blogger from the south of england so i can steal from him.

[...] see, as the man about the house points out the Scots are constantly accused of taking money from the poor impoverished people of the south of [...]

Thanks Michael … nice post, although who gave you permission to take a photo of my house! :lol:

Don’t be so scot free. I know you cant help being beggars! That’s what Rangers fans call you lot aint it jimmy? Ha! ha! Oh yeah of course you always pay your own way like know what I mean? Sweaties have a reputation for meanness and it didnt just materialise out of thin air! You are called spongers bacause you are spongers. Scot-free! ha! ha! For crying out loud, you waffle so much shite about being this, that and the other, but you’re begging off your suposedly biggest enemy! So, what conclusion can I come to other than you’re people with absolutely no integrity!
You have no morals! Infact, you’re just a waste of space fullstop. Now us, we wouldnt be acting like ignorant scum if we were in your position. Heck no! See we truly are proud of ourselves. To be truly proud of what you are demands certain responsibilities and obligations to be honoured! That’s why you lot have never done anything and never will do anything. You’re true filth! Filth belongs at the bottom of the ladder. Oh it doesnt matter to us how you act. You can make up shite about being the greatest country, friendliest people etc etc it makes no difference whatsoever to us. Fuckin’ with Engerland now that’s another matter entirely. That is what dirtbag Brown bottle job is doing. And of course this shows your true scottish mentality. I.e. an iq of 85.
Well done free loaders, it aint going to last. I will happily watch your demise.
Meanwhile grow some bollocks and pay your own way instead of begging with no integrity whatsoever! As for independence, I cant help it you’re all GUTLESS and too scared to go it alone. You’re a joke.

Typical yellow gutless sweaty sock!
Can’t post the truth oh no some American/canadian/german/swede, etc might find out the truth about the dirty sweaties then ah?

You lot are so cowardly! By the way jimmy, nice hoose. Nice cake to. Why wasnt the icing YELLOW?

I do so love these comments, it goes to show just where the chip from my shoulder has gone!

First up we have cujimmy (how original :roll: ) who doesn’t even know how to write his own language! I’ve met refugees with a better grasp of the English language :lol:

“That’s what Rangers fans call you lot aint it … ” - what “beggars”?!? Most Rangers fans are Scottish, do you really think they’d call themselves beggars? Besides if you read anything other than the daily rags, or even a couple of the links I provided you might actually realise what the truth actually is …

” … you waffle so much …” - sorry who’s waffling? Did you read your comment before you hit ’submit comment’?

“To be truly proud of what you are demands certain responsibilities and obligations to be honoured!” - what you mean like respect for other people’s opinions? or perhaps you mean the dignity that comes from not lowering yourself to cheap insults, jibes, and illiterate ramblings?

“That’s why you lot have never done anything and never will do anything” - oh dear, you really are ill-informed aren’t you.

” F**kin’ with Engerland now that’s another matter entirely. That is what dirtbag Brown bottle job is doing. And of course this shows your true scottish mentality. I.e. an iq of 85.” - my word, that is quite the little outburst, I wonder what your basis for this little ‘fact’ is.

“Meanwhile grow some bollocks and pay your own way instead of begging with no integrity whatsoever” - what does the size of bollocks have to do with potential income … you really must attempt to articulate your arguements in a fashion which might allow others to participate in the debate.

“As for independence, I cant help it you’re all GUTLESS and too scared to go it alone.” - again what is it you base this assumption on? It’s interesting to note that Scotland was lied to in advance of the first referendum on independence as to the wealth that would have been accrued from our share of North sea oil … a fact that only came out some 30 years later thanks to the freedom of information act.

“You’re a joke.” - really is a shame when people project their feelings about themselves onto others. Having read your comment I can’t help feeling that you have some issues for which you should probably seek professional psychological advice.

thank you for participating …

We also have s**tscaredjocks …

“Can’t post the truth oh no some American / canadian / german / swede, etc might find out the truth about the dirty sweaties then ah?” - I wouldn’t be surprised if the people of those nations new more about the situation than you did.

It’s this sort of ill-educated xenophobic nonsense that concerns me about the highly misleading and erroneous articles highlighted above.

I also wonder if they’d have the bottle to say these things to my face or whether they’d be too fearty to come out from under their mothers apron strings.

Either way they obviously feel that these kind of ‘angry’ comments are going to change anything, sadly the only thing they’ll change is the way people feel about English people in general. Obviously I know that an entire country can’t be judged by the actions of the few but you can see that that is exactly what these ‘individuals’ do.

If they were saying it about Africans, Asians or any other minority [in the context of the UK] group they’d be labelled as racists … I guess the same rules don’t apply when you’re talking about the Scots. That’ll be another reason why we need independence then, just not a particularly important one.

just as a footnote:

cujimmy,

should you be using your universities computers for posting these comments … Indiana University?

Isn’t the internet wonderful … I might just e-mail your department head, what do you think?

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